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Dave the Spot-on Moron's avatar

Are we sure Loomer wasn’t hired by the Harris/Walz campaign (not that they need any help). I can imagine the conversation:

“Hey, you’re an utterly reprehensible scumbag with no morals who could use a few bucks, how ‘bout you shake your booty at Trump and see where it goes? If you should happen to get close enough to put some ideas in his empty skull, here’s a couple that might be interesting…”

I realize that’s silly, but she will certainly not be helping his campaign any, unless she’s there to help win back the Nick Fuentes and American Nazi Party vote.

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Dave the Spot-on Moron's avatar

C’mon! Republicans don’t care what their politicians do sexually with others. They just want to control what WE DO in bed! It’s called hypocrisy.

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LadyHistorian's avatar

Grotesque.

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Tyler's avatar

I can’t even fathom anyone give him him any pleasures when he walks around, smelling like shit with his full diaper…

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Ilene Fischer's avatar

She may completely kill his campaign. He is too stupid to notice and I am with you if he is this easily manipulated how will he behave either world leaders that compliment him only to manipulate. Any character flaw that me say no to his candidacy.

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Steve Heise's avatar

It’s not only a character flaw but an absence of any moral compass.

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Ilene Fischer's avatar

Agreed

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Don Knight's avatar

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Sunset & Fire's avatar

Absolutely appalling that you'd choose to make the comparison between Loomer and Lewinsky. This piece of writing could have stood on its own if you had deleted all references to the Clinton scandal, and kept Lewinsky's name out of it. Instead, you put her name in the headline and then spent 3 paragraphs associating Lewinsky with Loomer and Trump by proxy scandal - all the while admitting that the two women's situations, motivations, and characters are in different universes.

When you prove in your own words that your own premise is bullshit, it's bad writing. When you gratuitously smear a predator's victim who has no relationship to the topic or events you're describing, it exposes a lot more about your (poor) character than either woman you name here.

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Steve Heise's avatar

I appreciate your well thought out comment and understand your point, but I specifically state that it is more about the fact that two lecherous old men have succumb to the affection of a younger woman. These are not just two old men, but presidents of the United States. They disregarded all common sense and reason to possess these women as objects. Monica did pursue Bill as you can see from the many pictures of her front and center in crowds at Whitehouse gatherings, just as Loomer is fixated on Trump, Tweeting about him morning, noon and night. Lewinsky had no political ambitions and was not a media star as we had no social media back then. Had Loomer been an intern at the Whitehouse it would have been the same situation. Read Loomers writing about Trump. It's akin to a 16 year old girl's crush, not the writings of a grown woman. She LOVES him.

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Sunset & Fire's avatar

One lecherous old man didn't "succumb"; that framing positions the woman as the predator, as the actor upon the man, not the one acted upon. Lewinsky was much younger (22) than Loomer is now, and was serving as a WH intern. Loomer - who is 31 and has had some semblance of a "career" as an internet (and real life) troll and political candidate - has in fact pursued Trump for the proximity to power and the vicious pleasure of owning not just the libs, but all the RINOs and never Trumpers and normal, sane people who find her repulsive.

The power dynamic and culpability in the two situations are in no way comparable, even if Lewinsky found it thrilling to be the object of Clinton's attention. And Lewinsky ended up getting disproportionately negative attention and calumny and criticism and demonization for her role in the affair, while Hillary stood by her man, shielding him from full accountability and whitewashing his predation.

Loomer seeks and provokes negative attention, calumny, and criticism from the world the same way she seeks the praise and power of Trump.

They are not the same.

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Gyrene's avatar

Onky he’s much older and so is she. They are both barshit crazy and very, very dangerous.

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Nina 🇨🇦's avatar

trump has had a few sycophant women over the past few years. Loomer is the latest. The others are seething but whatevs.

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Rhea's avatar

Don’t think Monica should be disparaged in that manner, she was a young 22 yr old & impressionable. Laura’s early 30’s and she is vile.

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Steve Heise's avatar

She pursued Clinton. Don't be fooled. She wasn't just some worker at the Whitehouse. She was an intelligent intern.

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C Leonard's avatar

Yes she was and there’s nothing wrong with that! She had a crush; she was enamored. She wasn’t worshipping Clinton or trying to break up a marriage or a country, unlike Loomer’s plan that she has voiced for years now, has set in motion, and is obviously extremely proud of her efforts, as well as her idol who has facilitated her over the weekend. No, FUCK HER. She’s evil. Melania should be pressing her breasts against Trump, not Loomer’s implants (noted in the first to last pictures.)

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Marcy Rothenberg's avatar

But his voters don’t care.

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Steve Heise's avatar

We knew he was a letch already just like Trump.

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C Leonard's avatar

I honestly don’t think Clinton is ANYTHING like Trump, publicly or privately. He has one child and he’s been married once. Yes, there’s been discrepancies in Clinton’s faithfulness to Hillary, but it has not led to another marriage and/or child, that we are aware of. So I believe that your analysis and absolute statement is false and misleading.

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Steve Heise's avatar

The only reason Hillary didn’t divorce Bill was due her own ambitions.

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C Leonard's avatar

Ok

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Marcy Rothenberg's avatar

We knew he was a womanizer. So did Monica.

But “just like Trump” is a step too far. He never was declared an adjudicated rapist.

And his policies & legislation benefitted all Americans - not just those at the top.

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Suellen Zimet Klein's avatar

Probably the only available option 🙄

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WhateverLolawantsLolagets's avatar

"Monica Lewinsky was simply a young innocent 22 year old woman who was entranced by a powerful older man. Her role was in no way a corrupting influence on Clinton, but more of his lecherous behavior corrupting her. She had no role in Clinton’s Whitehouse nor did she influence his policy stances and was not involved in a campaign. She was simply his “Plaything” as awful as that term implies. She was duped by a powerful man who knew better."

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I am giving you a D- for this remark. Let me tell YOU something about Ms. Lewinsky...

Monica had pursued two other married men, one was her high school English teacher. She wanted to break up their marriages & take the wife's place & held no regard for the children. She relentlessly pursued both of these men. In fact, during her "affair" with Clinton she was involved with one of the other married men.

Bill Clinton's behavior was not lecherous then, nor was it ever. Those are right wing republican lies buttressed by the press, who pursued him & dropped all decorum they had showed to republican presidents, simply because he was a Dem & he was (gasp) from Arkansas! Every singe rumor written about was literally given to the press by republicans. Republican state Troopers told ridiculous tales the press ate up, but the guy telling it was a LIAR. The press never apologized, they just dropped the story.

Every one of those women making claims about Clinton were offered a LOT of money & they were told to make up a story, if they didn't have an affair & exaggerate it.

Trump has the personality of a predator. I don't even have to explain that. Bill Clinton is nothing like Trump, nor does he have a predator personality. He's full of charm & charisma & he loves people. Women get the wrong impression of him because of that. When he was younger he was irresistibly attractive. Now, men that have that "thing" are not letches. He like JFK, have a quarterback attitude...IOW, they don't "come on" to women, women come on to them & they either go for it or they don't. My father was like this as well. There are men that simply do not have that at the front of their minds. Bill Clinton is NOT driven by sex.

I have researched these allegations about Clinton & I can tell you this. He did NOT harass Paula Jones. I don't care what the judge thought or was convinced of. He did not have a 10 year affair with Flowers....I'm sure he had a roll in the hay, maybe...but this is simply physically impossible given his work schedule, et... He did not harassed Tripp...she was a GOP operative who accused him of that for her agenda. She hated him. He MOST certainly never raped Broderick. That's a bold-faced lie. He also never dropped his pants. He doesn't have the personality for that. He was never arrogant about women. It's all republican lies & propaganda. They were jealous & scared of him when they found out he was going against Bush Sr. They knew his days were number, so they decided to go after him about women. It was all manufactured.

Lewinsky was an intern, but not his intern, so she did have business at the WH. From the start she said she needed to get her "knee pads" ready to seduce the president. This is pre-planned. She then pursued him & pursued him until she got him in a weak moment....& WHY wouldn't he have a weak moment?? How would YOU hold up if you had the press & reTHUG ops on you making up lies & hunting you every single day of your presidency?? Think on that. So Bill Clinton is only guilty of being a non-perfect human being, but he spent most of his life fighting for other people & continues to contribute to people in his fight against AIDS. Did he have a couple of affairs in his life...sure. That's not even at issue. What's at issue is how easily manipulated people are by the media's bullshit 30 years later....still judging him..."he was a letch"...."he was in a position of power"...."he lied about it". You don't get to do that. The reTHUGs made a big deal about something that is much less what they allow in their own ranks & the unprofessional press went along with it. The press committed journalistic malpractice. To this day these newbie pressers think it's all true, but it was all manufactured. Because they got away with that with almost no pushback, they keep trying to do it over & over to other Dems. That should say to you, that it was never about morals, or what was right.....it was about destroying one man's professional & personal life & they didn't care how it affected his family or friends. That is why his childhood friend killed himself.

You'd think they'd let up after his childhood friend killed himself, but noooo....instead they created conspiracy theories that he & Hillary "murdered" him. Why do people believe such idiotic things? Because of the GOP propaganda, who have primed people for years with lies. The Clintons never had the power or connections to make this happen. The CIA Bush family does, though, so they project that onto the Clintons. It's what they do. RatFucking 101 Accuse your opponents of what you do, would do, or have done.

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Steve Heise's avatar

This is a great response, well thought out and researched. My article was not a re litigation of Monica, but more a simple comparison of how a powerful man's weakness for the affections a young attractive woman can so easily manipulate him to do things that will tank his career. It's an indictment of the men. I don't blame either woman for pursuing the men. They didn't break any laws. Just like the woman that got Frank Gifford to have sex with her. He could have said no, but could not resist. Clinton knew better. Trump knows better and will try to deny and deflect as Clinton did. Maybe Loomer has a "Dress".

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WhateverLolawantsLolagets's avatar

You can't just blame the men. You know the old saying "it's lonely at the top" is very true. He was vulnerable to it, because of the vicious way the press & reTHUG ops were treating him. His school hood friend was very upset by the way they (the press) would just bulldoze through someone's life & their family to destroy them. It was a lot of pressure & that's what led to him taking his own life. The ugliness was too much for him.

Clinton knew better....but YOU keep forgetting that Clinton was human & he was judged to the extreme. Haven't you ever had an affair, or needed to feel understood? It never starts out to be anything than a friendship maybe some flirting....nothing more than that. He was entitled to that small comfort. He took on the world. He got England the hell out of Ireland at long last....! Nothing compares to that. He almost got the two-state solution. He went after Osama. CIA blame him for 9-11, but it was likely their own fault. They blame him for not taking out an area that had kids & civilians there. I say that makes him a decent human being & a good man. I know right from wrong & what is moral. This black n white schtick is tiring. It isn't reality. I don't want to hear the opinion of people that never experienced stress so extreme that they needed that comfort, because they don't know what it's like. Judging is easy. Understanding is much harder.

Did Bush Sr. know better when he had his affair? Did he dispatched Connolly & Casey to torpedo the peace talks between Carter & Iran? Did he know better when he traded weapons for drugs for the CIA? Did he know better when he trafficked children for the GOP out of Omaha Nebraska Boys Town for money in Washington & beyond...for the CIA?

There are sins....that are nobody's business, like sexual affairs. Then there are sins that is everybody's business like trading guns for drugs, intentionally dropping those drugs in black neighborhoods....then blaming them, calling them criminals & locking them up.Then there is...taking vulnerable kids that have no families, prostituting them to people for money. The FBI covering it up. The story getting dropped after Tom Brokaw reported it once, but then quickly hiding behind the gay Senator Barney Frank, who wasn't involved in that particular adventure.

Who would believe that Loomer had a dress even if she said she did. They'd all shun her & call her a vicious liar & sic the press on her if she said that.

Bottom line is this....when you distract yourself over a Dem POTUS that was intentionally set upon by the most despicable, corrupt, people in the country & go on about his dalliance & BJ....you miss the entire other side & that's the important side. Bill Clinton's affair was never a threat to anyone, but to him. OTOH, what Bush did has led to this very spot where we find ourselves today. His evil, crimes & karma that have never been aired out continue to plague our government & were ultimately what led to the media breaking down (Bush Jr) & the double standards, hyper partisan, propaganda & all the broken links within our government that Trump & other GOP ops are pounding on to break, so they can make the power-grab & take over. WE are a vulnerable democracy because so many took it for granted that "it couldn't happen here". I'm sure Germany thought the same way. So we have to make it our business to stop fascists from destroying our world & our children's legacy, the way our parents & grandparents did for us.

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Leah Tahiry's avatar

No, she is not like Monica who was young and impressionable. Quite the opposite.

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WhateverLolawantsLolagets's avatar

No she was not. That is all bullcrap. Bill Clinton was the 3rd married man SHE pursued.

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Leah Tahiry's avatar

Who and what was the source of that information?

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Steve Heise's avatar

She’s in a dozen pictures standing front row at Whitehouse events.

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Steve Heise's avatar

Monica was at every event at the Whitehouse, out in front hoping to get Bill's attention. She knew what she was doing.

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WhateverLolawantsLolagets's avatar

She did. I don't even blame her in a way. I mean....this is more akin to a celebrity & a super fan that is enamored of them. She did have a history of going after older married men, but I would've liked her to pursue why she did that, because there is always a reason. That would be a book worth writing if she chose too. I don't like her coming out with 30 years perspective & saying, "he took advantage of me", when she was pursuing him like a bee to honey. I mean...."own your shit, ya know".

Why did she make a habit out of it. I had a great English teacher who I admired greatly, but I wouldn't want to have an affair with him. He was my favorite teacher. I could trust his judgement. When he complimented you, he meant it & when he criticized you, it was good criticism.

The media that were involved in pursuing Clinton need to be honest. The questions I'd ask them are, "why'd you go after him so relentlessly, when with Reagan/Bush you respected their privacy"? "Why didn't you do your due diligence on the rumors & republican ops who smeared him for personal reasons?" "Why have you never corrected the record & told the tale how all of these people were out to get Bill Clinton & ruin his career....that would make for a very interesting read"?

Have we ever heard the story about how "Whitewater" was fully debunked & turned out to be nothing?

Have we heard the story about how Ken Starr threatened the couple that went into business with Bill & Hillary Clinton for the Whitewater land deal? The husband went along w/Starr & said Bill was corrupt (although he was a silent party), but his wife went to jail because she said she was not going to tell them what they wanted to hear & destroy someone's career, life & reputation.

Have we heard the tale how "TrooperGate" was all bullshit made up by a state cop who didn't like the Clintons. The entire story/stories are all false.

It goes on & on like that. It's so sad. Sam Donaldson was one of the biggest unprofessional jerks out there & talked very rude to the president which angered a lot of people. They just threw journalistic respect & integrity to the winds to pursue him because they could get away with it without losing their jobs or catching flack. It is valuable to note that those reporters showed who they truly are to the world. They shouldn't be trusted ever again.

One of my pet peeves is people who act drunk with power....as soon as they know nobody's watching.

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Leah Tahiry's avatar

She was front and center to get his attention. She did pursue the shiny bauble she perceived as being in her reach.

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Tom Huff's avatar

Think of all the Democratic Senate and House nominees you could have spent your time on instead of this.

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Steve Heise's avatar

I agree, but as Trump never talks about the issue, but mainly himself and his list of grievances, this is relevant to his character. He's a POS.

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